Bug In or Out, that is the question!
- November 9, 2017 at 6:28 pm #15553
Just as with Hamlet’s “To be or not to be”, that proverbial question comes to us preppers. Do I plan to bug in/bunker (To be) or bug out (not to be)? What say you?November 9, 2017 at 6:49 pm #15554
After consideration, my wife and I chose “to be”, i.e., bug in the homestead. We still have a bug out plan but it is not “the collapse” oriented; more to the local SHTF, fire, tornado, etc.
With this focus, we looked to hardening our homestead. One advantage we had/have is no children. Not knocking them, it is that they require a completely different plan, particularly for bug out, especially if they are really young, say 10’ish and under. Of course, every child is different but we all know the younger, the more attention and care is required.
Back to the homestead – although we were suburbanites, we had always looked to retire in a more rural setting. So, we looked for homesteading property that had SHTF bug in characteristics, particularly on the Defense component. One of the things that helped choosing the “right” place was having a “Threat Assessment” questionnaire by which we could evaluate a property. To me, the Threat Assessment provides the basis for a logical approach, not only to property, but to how and for what you will prep. The assessment provides for risk mitigation focus areas and allows for prioritizing the same. Let alone help you determine if you are in over your head, on the property I mean.November 9, 2017 at 8:50 pm #15556PreparedMotherKeymaster
Did you use a particular “threat assessment” questionnaire? Where did you get it or did you develop it yourself? That would be cool to share if you have it handy!November 9, 2017 at 9:00 pm #15557
Admin – it has been a few years since I used but will dig up and share. I’ll reach out to see how we can publish.November 10, 2017 at 2:16 am #15560
Sharing that threat assessment plan would be great!
If you don’t have a pre-determined place to go, I think that you would be best off staying put, unless there is an imminent threat. Knowing your surroundings will be an advantage. Going to a random/strange place will put you at a disadvantage to the “locals”. Being a familiar face to those around you will also be to your advantage. Strangers will be highly suspect where ever you might go. Knowing when to bug out will be an important judgement call. I heard a line on a TV show recently that stuck in my head: “Early is on-time, on-time is late, and late is unacceptable.”November 10, 2017 at 2:19 am #15561
Sharing that threat assessment plan would be great!
If you don’t have a pre-determined place to go, I think that you would be best off staying put, unless there is an imminent threat. Knowing your surroundings will be an advantage. Going to a random/strange place will put you at a disadvantage to the “locals”. Being a familiar face to those around you will also be to your advantage. Strangers will be highly suspect where ever you might go. Knowing when to bug out will be an important judgement call. I heard a line on a TV show recently that applies to all aspects of prepping and stuck in my head: “Early is on-time, on-time is late, and late is unacceptable.”November 10, 2017 at 2:08 pm #15590
Oliver – question: did you post the comment twice or edit the first? Trying to help Admin with functionality. Looks to me like you edited and it posted both, can you confirm? Thanks!November 10, 2017 at 2:24 pm #15591
Oliver – totally agree with comment on “bug out”. Not only does one open oneself to increased risk, may affect (and most likely would) affect those that are there… wherever “there” may be.
The question of when to bug out is critical and difficult one too. The motto of “early is on-time…” is perfect. Namely, one has to consider conditions at time of bug out. If one is urban or suburban and waits until they must, it is way too late as there will be many doing same. Anyone that’s been to a ball game trying to leave the parking lot would have a good example…be it much less stressful/dangerous than SHTF? For urban centers, it is obvious that exit clogging would occur. For suburban, it is almost worse to wait even though it seems counterintuitive. Looking at a typical city, the suburban areas surround with the urban exits passing through them. So, as the suburbanite is trying to leave, the urbanite would have already clogged the roads. The challenge is in not being the proverbial frog!November 10, 2017 at 4:23 pm #15592
When I posted, it looked like it was processing and then stopped after a minute or two. Didn’t say “posted” or “complete”, and was still there with “post” button active. I made a change and hit post again figuring it didn’t work. Then both posts showed up and I couldn’t delete one of them. Also, that was done on an iPad. When I hit submit jhst now I got a 500 Error, website is not available. Going to try again.November 10, 2017 at 4:32 pm #15593
Bug out plan should include multiple routes, as highways and major arterial roads will likely be impassible and become dangerous very fast. Highly recommend having analog GPS devices in all your vehicles (aka maps/atlases ?). You will have to decide whether it’s safer to try to beat the crowds or wait until the crowds die down. That will depend on your environment and the nature of the event. If you have no choice but to join the crowds, make sure you are well protected. Unfortunately, there is no one-size-fits-all solution… Just keep your tanks full and have a few extra cans on hand to get you as far as possible…November 12, 2017 at 10:03 pm #15629JMED308Participant
Keep a 5 gallon Jerry gas can in trunk. Also a 3 day pack with: 3 day emergency Bar, water(more when summer over 100 and less in winter. Some personnel supplies , 3 cans beans , chicken, sardines, crackers, gum, lifesavers, IFAK,Undies, socks, t shirts for weather and layer up stuff if over night needed in car in winter weather near mountains in Central California. Wire cutters, combat knife, box of 50 (your choice plus delivery system), rain poncho, crowbar, big flashlight 300 lumens.
If your live in area of multiple threats(?) I have a 12G delivery system. Gangs, prisons, probation and street people in certain parts of my city. Daily commute with night driving : cars, pick ups, 18 wheelers and race drivers before I hit a small area of friendlies. I plan on being alone or getting alone if situation becomes crazy. Need radio, telephone, maps and compass. Would always like some warm coffee and soups. Working on 12 Volt car systems for water heater.November 20, 2017 at 6:38 am #15855Kokomo PrepperParticipant
Even though we live close to an urban area, the plan is to bug in. Don’t want to risk being caught among all the craziness and panic. Secure with stores, supplies, and other preps at least until several months pass and things settle down… At that point reassess situation with potential to move to family farm.November 26, 2017 at 2:20 pm #16038Hank4Participant
Lets face it, the people who are not prepared at all will succumb to the elements within a week or two of a major shtf event. So I plan to steer clear of all that panic. As they say “out of sight, out of mind” If you have to move out, think of alternative routes ie. train tracks, power lines, rivers ect. Dont just walk down the road carrying all your crap. That screams “eat me”November 26, 2017 at 11:44 pm #16041MinarchistParticipant
In my case that’s an easy decision. I live pretty close to downtown, in a bad neighborhood, about a mile or so from the County Jail. I see no way that bugging in would be viable. The biggest problem as I see it could be deciding exactly when things have gotten bad enough that bugging out is necessary. Too soon for a crisis that ends up getting resolved relatively quickly and I’ve just put my job at risk. Too late and I’m trying to make my way out as part of the mindless horde. Granted that in an extreme scenario it will be obvious that the SHTF event has happened. But if things continue as they are in a slow motion gradual decline then it will likely be a judgement call.October 23, 2019 at 12:59 am #45789GuardianParticipant
There’s a lot of things to consider in whether to bug in or out. I like the idea of the threat analysis. Presumably, it consists of questions such as: How defensible is your property?; How defensible is your immediate neighborhood?; Are any of your neighbors potentially prepared?; Are any of your neighbors capable of helping to defend your immediate location?; Do you have a plan to propose to neighbors for defending your immediate neighborhood?; Does your current neighborhood lend itself to food production or procurement [think fishing or trapping of small game]; How far is your location from urban neighborhoods?; How far is the nearest police station?; If you have neighbors who are serious about defending the “hood”, are you prepared to border off and enforce unauthorized entry 24/7? Additional questions and comments are welcomed and appreciated.
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