How to know when S has HTF
Tagged: When SHTF
- November 14, 2017 at 9:09 am #15669EventualFateParticipant
Barring an obvious scenario, such as an EMP.. What do you other preppers see as signs that SHTF is not just imminent, but rather IN PROGRESS. What is your threshold for BUG OUT/IN?
Are you waiting until you hear gunfire nearby? Are you counting on the emergency broadcast system to be activated? Where I live, the old air raid equipment has long been dismantled.
As a prepper, I would like to hear other’s opinions, cues to look out for on when to kick it into emergency mode.November 18, 2017 at 4:54 am #15773Liljohn1998Participant
Most of the time I keep tabs on world events, state and local stuff going down via internet. Don’t watch tv much anymore as I will not pay through the nose for satellite tv, no cable out by me.
I live between Nashville and Knoxville far enough away from the main highways (I hope). I’m just hoping that if anything does happen I will know long before it makes it’s way to my area.
Although my only plan is to Bug in as I only have my parents house to head to and that’s closer to the main highways. I do have a weather radio, CB and a small solar power system in case the main power goes out.
Hoping it never gets to that, but i’m partially ready.November 18, 2017 at 2:35 pm #15775
Liljohn1998 – a revel yell “shout out” to fellow Volunteer. I’m east of you north, and also hopefully far enough away, from Knoxville.
I too have the “bug in” plan. I do have a bug out kit ready but that is mostly for unforeseen non “collapse” emergencies, fire, tornado, etc. I used “collapse” since am a believer that all SHTF is local as it will manifest in different ways based on locality and circumstances that S*.
EventualFate – waiting for gunfire is not an option as in my neck of the woods (literally), there is gunfire all the time. No, not crime shooting, patriots enjoying their 2nd amendment rights.
As stated by Liljohn main way is to keep eyes open and ears listening. One has to pay attention to local patterns, humans are creatures of habit and tend to behave the same way all the time. So, look for changing patterns, traffic, stores, what people are buying, etc. Obviously news from “normal” sources but also from others, particularly private citizens (Ham, CB, internet while available). If you have ability to monitor military, police, and EMS radio bands, that is a great way to check the “is this normal?”November 20, 2017 at 6:52 pm #15918Kokomo PrepperParticipant
Obviously emp, grid down type scenario is shtf, but I’m monitoring events in big city environments. I see these as the “petri dish” which will develop reactions first. If economic…look for job loses here first and welfare riots. Shortages… Food, water, etc. I believe will impact big cities first… I believe the time gap will be short between seeing impacts/effects in city vs. more rural areas maybe a week to ten days. Others thoughts?December 19, 2017 at 1:22 am #16126JMED308Participant
Listen for gun fire. If close take out you weapon for area you live in. If residential a 12 G shot gun is fine. Also put on a plate carrier if multiple shots being fired. If gone fire is there but not a lot then I have web gear with pistol and magazine holders and a rifle . It could be time to recon quietly if dark. In day light do not put on BDU or military field equipment and walk outside. Neighbors
will be frightened .
If constant gun fire and it is day or night secure your property. John has recommended sand bags. Good idea. A brick fence is good. A wood fence and your house wall are bad ideas. Some cement bricks along side your garage or home provide cover from prone firing position.
Some people have given me pointers. A bathtub full of water helps if trapped in a hotel or home. Get behind your heaviest wall and get flat. Pray. Marines go towards gunfire. Preppers go away from danger.December 24, 2017 at 10:26 am #16188
Recently, Minarchist and I had discussion (see “A horde coming your way” <–link topic) and one of the points was intel, as in the gathering thereof. We have touched upon that here too relating to people patterns, “media”, gunfire sounds, etc. These are all very good and need to be extended to also include silence. I guess that goes more toward a change in patterns but consider that at first, the noticeable change will be a lack of normal sounds, IMO of course.
Certainly, if you live in a very rural setting, it would be typically quiet. Here I mean not hearing/seeing things over the airwaves. If we are talking grid down, that would be “dead silence” from the normal sources. Be it short or extended, definitely an indication that S has hit the fan somewhere.
After the period of silence, we should start hearing people, and hopefully not the horde discussed in other topic. But in between the silence and the noise, intelligence gathering is important. Patrol, cover observation, dusk/nigh recon, anything that will give you information without exposure. As stated by JMED308, you certainly do not want to scare your neighbors but you sure want to know what is up with them as well as the surrounding community. If in rural, venture close or into town but like a mouse as you are not there to say “hey, I’m here!”.
Before SHTF, prepare… like duh! No, I mean figure out intelligence gathering points, paths, etc. That way, when the need arises, you are ready to execute the plan or alter based on conditions. Don’t forget to carry provisions and water as you never know how long it will take you.December 24, 2017 at 11:28 am #16189
Kokomo Prepper – Indeed urban centers will be Petri dishes and with today’s dependent society, it does not have to be a megalopolis like NYC or LA! That is certainly an observation item and intel gathering angle. Event if not close, if indeed we see a megalopolis taking a hit, it will have ripple effects across the nation. Maybe not full SHTF in one’s locale but certainly daily life will be affected. Take 9/11 for example, NYC and D.C. but certainly affected rest of country and I do not mean emotionally, as it certainly did that. What I mean is police, travel, people scrutiny where all affected.
I believe the expediency of effect will depend on SHTF trigger. Certainly, as you noted, EMP/GRID down is an event in its own category. Even if one the hubs or interconnections goes down, it will have a ripple affect, even if only “rolling” outages. Look at California not so many years ago and that was not a grid affecting situation! One item I look at that will have adverse effects it trucking related impacts. Could be power related of course but looking beyond that. Anything that disrupts trucking, effectively shuts down local commerce. As well all know (and John included in a video) commerce in our country has gone to all out JIT (Just In Time). Not only local inventory but also distribution hubs. So, if trucking stops or is impacted in capability to flow east-west, north-south, there will be SHTF all over. Just looking at east-west, 3 major arteries, 80, 40, and 10. Take one of them out, say the New Madrid fault, out goes the US40.
So, being on the lookout for commerce flow impact, particularly trucking, is a key intel item for me.December 13, 2018 at 2:34 pm #42485brownfullhouseParticipant
Kokomo Prepper – Are you in Indiana?
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