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OC- I hear you.
But seriously, If SHTF is an exclusive event to the US or North America, the horde in 6-12 months will be speaking Chinese and/or Russian. A lot more worrisome than some “local leader”.
I haven’t heard anyone mention a timeline on the organization of this “horde”? Total grid down scenario I don’t think that many will last more than a week anyway especially in the winter months. And add in the fact that there would be NO communication and minimal transportation… Idk. You might encounter groups of people that just so happened to be near each other when the lights go out, but I don’t see an organized force with leadership coming out of that very fast.
I will add that I live in a relatively small town, so if you are reading this and live in a major city, then I’m sorry… your fucked regardless.
I just hang a sign on my front door with an arrow “My neighbor is unarmed”
Sounds good, thank you.
Ahh ok thanks. I didn’t realize there was in link at the top.
This was supposed to be voted on today Dec 6. Did it pass? I haven’t been able to find much on it.
I think you owe me a cold beer Miarchist. Plus these new plates are not as bulky as generations past as you can probably tell.
Hey Minarchist thanks for the response. I understand what you were doing with the math problem, I just thought the 50% number was to high and might even skew your outcome. But I understand now where you came up with it and you were just illustrating a point. And yes I think the 20,000 number is equally skewed. I think they just took the amount of ammunition that was sent to Vietnam and divided it by a rough estimate of enemy KIA thru out the war. Also I see where your coming from on the rounds per mag deal.
Anyway as I said before I agree the 308 is superior to the 223 in all power ratings, but there are a couple factors not discussed in you original post. I think weight of ammo was discussed but I am not so worried about that as I am the weight of the rifle. Rifles chambered in 308 tend to be heavier then the 223. For smaller or not as physically fit people, that might need to be a consideration if they were going to have to travel on foot and lug it a long way. Also recoil is another factor that could be considered when thinking about follow up shots or sustained firing. Recoil from the 308 is significantly higher than that of a 223 generally speaking. The 308 does not have extreme recoil by any means but just something to think about. I will also add to this topic that NEITHER round will penetrate some modern body armor.
I will agree with Minarchist that the 308 is more lethal. BUT I just want to point out one part of your argument that bothered me, saying 50% of rounds fired will hit in a firefight is absolutely wrong and I don’t want people reading this that have never been in a firefight to expect that half their ammo will find its mark. Stats on Vietnam suggest that it took 20,000 rounds fired by US servicemen per one kill regardless of caliber. My own experience in firefights in Afghanistan I do not believe to be quite that high but absolutely less then 1% and thats on both sides. The best personal experience/example was one night being in a 56 truck convoy getting lit up like the 4th of July for 2 or 3 minutes going 35 mph. We were in the back third of the convoy and I can remember just seeing green (enemy) and red (ours) tracer going everywhere way up in front of us, so far I couldn’t even hear any gunfire over the noise of the truck and the radio (the Doors Light My Fire was playing, no bullshit). Shit got real after the first RPG went over our hood, I shot my MK19 until it was out, then my M249 SAW until that was out then grabbed my 12g mossberg and started shooting in the ditch right beside us where I couldn’t even see (could clearly hear them shooting and rounds hitting the truck at this point tho) but guys were yelling from inside the truck thru the headset that they could see dudes in the ditches. After we busted thru the ambush, everyone gave an ACE (ammo, casualties ,equipment) report, half the trucks were shot to shit, tires blown out, windows hit, engines fucked, and almost half the trucks were disabled enough to need to be towed for the rest of the way. Point is that NOT ONE guy was shot on our side, and I will never know what the other side had but I bet that it wasn’t much because how fast it all happened. Not trying to be a dick here Minarchist, just keeping it real. BTW Why do you only load 27/30 and 18/20 in your mags?
Lets be honest, if you are worried about marauders I would suggest semi auto for the hi capacity of rounds and faster reloads. If you want to have something that kinda works all around with defense and hunting than maybe a revolver would work for you. Regardless of your choice, have plenty of ammo and PRACTICE with it.
Lets face it, the people who are not prepared at all will succumb to the elements within a week or two of a major shtf event. So I plan to steer clear of all that panic. As they say “out of sight, out of mind” If you have to move out, think of alternative routes ie. train tracks, power lines, rivers ect. Dont just walk down the road carrying all your crap. That screams “eat me”
Good thinking! Thanks
If you dont know about/have one already, I highly recommend an Army surplus Bivy sack. They are gortex sleeping bags essentially. Better than a tarp because you can crawl in and zip it up, and alot faster than a tent to put into action.